Hollow Ichigo's first and second release form!!!

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  1. Zero-sama

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    First of all I think that Ichigo has two stages to transform when he has his Vaizard mask on. When he is a Vaizard he represents a hollow. We all know that arrancars have a release form, they have their almost looking human form and when they released they transform into some kind of animal or beast. For example Grim=Panther, Nnoi=mantis, Ulquiorra=bat. Now on chapter 222 Ichigo has transformed into a Lizard watch:

    http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-222-page-4.html

    Now that picture represents that he took the form of an Adjuchas. That is his first form.

    His second release form would be the form of a Vasto Lorde and the outfit of an Espada member. His second release form is none other than, Hichigo or Shirosaki (however you wanna call him), he represents a Vasto Lorde and an Espada, in his clothing that is white, and the appearance of almost a human being with a little hollow touch. Watch here:

    http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-220-page-7.html

    That picture represents the form of a vasto lorde and the outfit of an Espada member. This would be his second and last form.

    Is a possibility. The First release is the form of an adjuchas, remember they symbolize animals and Ichigo is a Lizard in this form. His second release is the form of a Vasto Lorde and Espada, they suppose to symbolize a human, so the Hichigo/Shirosaki from the inner world would be prefect. For me it has logic.

    In the recent chapters of Bleach we saw Ulquiorra having two stages or transformations, that means that powerful hollows can have more than one release form, and on chapter 349 we see Ichigo transforming, into the lizard hollow form. I highly doubt that, that would be his only form of a hollow, we all know that his inner hollow is to damn powerful and we all know that Hichigo/Shirosaki is not gonna stay as a Lizard, he will break out and take the form of Hichigo/Shirosaki, the one we have seen on Ichigo's inner world. Take for example an arrancar, when his mask is remove or broken they take a humanoid appearance. This example shows why the lizard form can brake and take the second form:

    http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-222-page-8.html

    The difference is that the one coming out from that first form will be Hichigo/Shirosaki but with out the vaizard mask on, and transformed in his second and last form.

    -Vasto Lorde in Japanese means= Great king of the hollows.
    Does this ring a bell, Hichigo/Shirosaki is always saying to Ichigo the stuff about the king and the horse. This is a clue. Hichigo/Shirosaki probably wants to be the king of all hollows, and that's why he wants to get out and become the King and Ichigo the horse.

    Now will that happen on the fight between Ulquiorra and Ichigo, I don't know for sure, but I am almost sure that this theory will occur. This can take place on the Ulquiorra battle or in a future battle.

    I think that this theory can occur, what do you think?
     
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    Well, it would be easier to tell if it was an adjuchas or a VL if we actually knew what a VL looked like. Lot's of people believe ULQ is a VL now but it still hasn't been said for sure.

    On the contrary, it's just me but I believe that Ichigo's "Lizard" hollow looks more humanoid than Ulquiorra's does. We just associate Ichigo's hollow thing with a "lizard" because of the tail thus we label him as an adjuchas but, just because it has a tail doesn't mean that it's a lizard. Baboon's are humanoid (but techinically speaking in bleach terms if a hollow had that form it would be an adjuchas because it was an animal) but I guess you see what I am trying to say.

    Also to note, although Love said "It looks like you've fully turned into a holllow now", it was fully but technically not because he still had that little bit of his mask that wasn't formed yet. The hollow kept evolving during the fight as well so anyone can say anything as to how far it would have went had the fight gone on for another hour.

    I've thought about Hichigo being the "king of the hollow's" but, I don't think it's true since it's Ichigo's hollow, I don't think Hichigo was wandering around HM before Ichigo was born.

    There's one thing that bugs me about it though. Most people believe that the Vizards weren't natural occuring Vizards since Urahara tried to save them with the Hogyokou. I believe this as well.

    What I mean by this is that the Vizards were saying that "Don't let your inner hollow devour you, if you do we'll have to kill you". If Ichigo had lost that battle, he wouldn't have ceased to exist, because without the shinigami the zanpakutou =/= existence. However, we saw that when Ichigo won, that hollow form broke off leaving Ichigo with a mask. I'm thinking that the vizards don't actually have a hollow representation for their zanpakutou. The vizards seemed to think that the hollow that they were currently fighting was going to be the only thing they fought once Ichigo actually lost, but if he had it would have been shirosaki. Throws your mind into a circle doesn't it?

    There might be a 2nd vizard form, shit Ulquiorra has a 2nd stage so, anything is possible at this point.
     
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    I understand that part, but there must be a connection there in the Japanese definition of a Vasto Lorde and Hichigo. Because he is always talking about the king and the horse and he is an inner hollow and secondly the definition of vasto lorde means the king of the hollows. I mean there must by a connection or some kind of clue there.

    I made this thread because now on bleach everything is possible, and it is a good possibility of this happening and like you stated if Ulquiorra had 2 forms why not the Vaizards.
     
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    Yea. I know what you're saying and it is possible. I'm not saying it isn't at all. I really don't care if it is or not to be honest lol. I don't try to use logic for manga's. I mean, the king and the horse thing could have this whole underlying conflict and meaning. However, at this point all we know is that Shirosaki was just telling Ichigo what he lacked and that was instinct, the only difference between the king and the horse. However, I believe that there could be something else there. You know never with Kubo.
     
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    You are totally right about what The Vaizards where saying, but on chapter 349 it looks like he is gonna turn into the "Lizard hollow Form" and that means nobody is going to be able to control him, and that will be a perfect opportunity for him to lose his soul, and ceased to exist, but we all know Kubo is not gonna do that, that's one of the reasons why anything can happen here.

    And what you stated above, it really threw my mind into a circle LOL, because if Ichigo would have lost then Shirosaki would have been the one to come out. Nice observation there.
     
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    He dosen't have 2 releases. If you can read better you can tell its two completely different things.
     
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    Is not that he has 2 releases, the thing is that maybe he will have 2 releases. OK you say that I have to read better, but look at you, explain in more detail what you are trying to say here. Because this thread states that Inner Ichigo may have 2 forms or releases. Got It.
     
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    I'll start off by saying that I don't agree with this theory in particular. But as has been said, at this point anything is possible. And it is good to bring up these theories so that we can thrash them out. May not agree with everything, but a good discussion without insulting others & giving detailed responses instead of one liners is only a good thing Hibari. It will lead us to a better overall prediction/theory.

    Having said that, sorry if my response to this has ended up being more than a bit negative. Due to the length of this post I've not responded to some things that have already been addressed by Athane & have used spoiler tags. (Sorry)

    Right, first up - the inner Hollow (Shirosaki/HIchigo/Ogihci) & the lizard form.
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    You're right here Hibari. The Inner Hollow & the lizard form are too separate things. The lizard form is an out of control, instinct driven mindless hollow. When it was shown against the Vizards, neither the inner hollow nor Ichigo were in control of it. They were both giving there full attention to fighting each other in the inner world.

    The only time the inner hollow has taken control of Ichigo's body was against Byakuya in the SS arc, and arguably against Hyori (though I don't believe it was him as all it did was scream. Shirosaki chatted a bit against Byakuya). Though he has tried on other occasions.[/SP]
    Next - the issue of is it a VL or adjucha or something else:
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    Erm, the hollow form looks pretty much humanoid to me, so by that logic it's a VL not an adjucha. Though I don't think that it is either of these, tbh.

    I've seen many people mistakenly make this/similar statements. I have to ask, do you guys remember how Menos are created, cause the way they are created (the mutual devouring & merger of hundreds of normal hollows, creating one new being) rules out any & all possibility of Ichigo's hollow being a VL or adjucha. Now I agree that it can be just as powerful as a VL, but it is not actually a VL. Therefore, its physical appearance has no bearing on this, imo.[/SP]
    [SP]Why would he gain the outfit of an Espada. What Shirosaki (the inner hollow) wears is white, but that is where the similarities to the arrancar clothes ends. Shirosaki is simply an inverted version of Kurosaki. Arrancar don't have the obi sash or sandals. And he has no mask or hole, so no resemblance to a hollow.

    Also, while I fell it is a minor point, someone mentioned in the chapter thread that arrancar aren't created with clothes (indeed, neither are hollows clothed even though they're born from {usually} clothed humans). And it should be noted that in shikai, there is even less resemblance to the arrancar uniform. But I feel that this is a minor point.[/SP]
    That's just Ichigo going back to his normal form. Though I do understand what you mean here. Would be nice.

    Also, agree with what Athane said here:
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    The Vizard didn't seem to be expecting Shirosaki to take control of Ichigo's body. They seemed to think that it would continue fighting as it had been. They would have been surprised by the sudden emergence of Shirosaki to take control of wither Ichigo's body or the full hollow form.

    I can see Ichigo at some point gaining that full hollow form as a power-up, but I don't really want the story to go that way.
     
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    I think people also relate him to a lizard because of the high-speed regeneration. Lizards can regenerate tails so.....
     
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    Ulquiorra said though that he was the only arrancar to have obtained a 2nd form. He's way too arrogant to up and lie about something like that.
    I personally don't believe the Vaizards will have 2nd forms. I think the Ulquiorra power-up is mainly another stepping stone for Ichigo to eventually reach the plateau that Aizen's power is at.
     
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    It is certainly a power upgrade akin to what Ichigo normally receives (things that he has no control over) it has also been an extremely long time since we've heard from HIchigo. I'm not sure if this would mark a new second stage for vaizards, or if Ichigo has lost so much that HIchigo decided to knock him down and take over the reigns.

    It does -look- pretty clear that he's starting to assume that lizard-esque form. Based on the similar hair, although I'd be curious if he still keeps control. KT tends to enjoy throwing Hichigo in when possible, and this would be a really fun time for him to do so.
     
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    hey.. at least the hole is in the same spot i'll give you that much
     
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    And one big ass hole it is sir.
     
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    Nice theory. Should be fun to see how these next few chapters play out for Ichigo.
     
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    well ulquiorra said he was the only espada that has a 2nd form i mean he could not know about the other espada but i feel it is highly unlikely


    well to show he is a hollow doesnt he need some part of the mask?

    i dont think he was the king of all hollows because he was created when ichigo tried to reattain his shinigami powers so he has never even been to Hueco mundo before
     
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    Hichigo couldn't be VL of any sort simply because there's no way for him to have consumed any other hollows. I agree yes that Hichigo could have a second form and therefore Ichigo have 2 vizard forms, I mean it wouldn't be the first time we've seen a second form (Kensei took on a more complete hollow form similar to Ichigo's in terms of evolution when we first saw him in TBTP as a hollow). And as for the reference to the king and the horse, Hichigo was only referring to a master and a slave, nothing to do with the VL.
     
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    I'm glad you made this thread Zero-sama so that I may ask this question.What do you guys think Shiirosaki is exactly?He can't be a shinigami since he has hollow powers and abilities.Not a hollow for the fact he has a zanpaktou.He can't be an arrancar since he has shikai and bankai to his sword and he can't be a vizard since he was never a shinigami.So is he the perfect hybrid or what?
     
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    shirosaki/hollow ichigo is the manifestation of ichigo's hollow powers but he has also taken the role of the manifestation of ichigos shinigami powers
     
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    This is a very good discussion here, and was a little hard for me to follow due to I never really thought bout this before with the 2 releases etc... But from one thing said, about the King and the Horse, When "Hichigo" said that to Ichigo during the "battle within" I understood that as an analogy to describe the battle, The battle between those two was a battle for control of the body, for without it, neither one of them would even exist. And only one person could win, and I took it as the winner was the "king" and the loser was the "horse" But like someone else said, or I think they said, I think it could be foreshadowing future events.

    As for the 2 releases, it is quite possible, I mean the Shigaminis have 2 release forms, as we know they are shikai and bankai, so why couldnt the Espadas of Hueco Mundo have the same?

    For me, and I am sure everyone can understand, but I believe the Vizards have the power of both sides, of Shigaminis and Hollows, because if we remember awhile back when the Vizards were near first introduced. Ichigo was battling Grimmjaw, and Shinji stepped in and battled Grimmjaw, and was dominating the battle. And Shinji while still wearing his mask. he used Cero against Grimmjaw which shocked him. So if Shinji could use Cero I am pretty damn sure he and the others have learned a hollow release form.

    And something that I was thinking about not too long ago, was about Aizen and how he was able to become much stronger than the Espadas. Because from what I have seen so far. The current ranking Espadas are giving the captains of the Gotei a good run for their money. So I was wondering myself if after all of the hollowfication deal in the TBTP if Aizen, Tousen and Gin did the Hollowfication upon themselves, and learned how to use and master their "hollow side" And when they felt the time was right, they left off to Hueco Mundo. I even talked to another guy i know about the "hollow side " of Aizen and he said, it was a legit possible idea.
     
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